hes fucking dead and i for one am glad good fucking riddance to bad rubbish. death, a fitting end if you ask me. and i hope it was painful for him to die. very very painful!!!!!!!

While this may come as a surprise to many of you, I am Catholic. I don't go to church and I don't believe in a lot of what they teach. However, for the 20 years I've been alive, I've been raised as a Catholic. I haven't decided if I beleive what I'm about to say or not, but this is what I've been taught.

Okay, so you're Timothy McViegh and you don't like the way people are doing things. Instead of trying to make a difference RATIONALLY by writing letters or getting a petition together or something, you decided bombing a federal building is a good idea. You get caught. What should your punishment be?

Well if the person deciding your punishment is Catholic, you should get life in prison. It's a commandment that thou shall not kill. There is no fine print. God told Moses that people aren't allowed to kill. There are no exceptions. People have no right to decide the fate of another man. Only God has that right.

So you're Timothy McVeigh. You're going to be put to death. Maybe you have a change of heart, realize how terrible your actions were. You pray and beg for God's forgiveness. You make your peace with God. When you are put to death, he welcomes you home. A son that was lost, but has now come home.

All the families of the victims of Oklahoma, are you happy now? You have sent a killer to heaven for eternity. He will enjoy the rest of eternity in heaven among the angles and the saints and God himself. Is that the justice you were seeking?

Those that decided his fate, you are going to hell. You have sinned, chosen to kill a man, taken it into your own hands to decide the fate of another man. Under Catholicism, you are going to hell, not Timothy McViegh.

I don't think he deserved to die at all. What he did was terrible. He changed the lives of many people and left many victims, dead and alive. I'm not saying anything about what he did was right or anything like that. But, everything happens for a reason. Maybe one of those people he killed would have grown up to be another Hitler. Maybe one of them would have grown up to be another Mother Theresa. Who knows. Everything happens for a reason and God has a plan for everyone. If you really wanted to punish McVeigh for what he did, make him live out the rest of his life in solitary confinement or in prison or whatever. Make him live the rest of his life with what he did. Maybe he cares and feels guilty, maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, he'll go to hell when the time comes and justice will be done. If he does, 60 more years with his guilt is worse than sending him to heaven immediately, don't you think?

Whatever, it's done now. You gave him the easy way out.

1212 Out.

Calliander your thoughts about the death penalty are valid and true there should be no reason for one person to take anothers life under any circumstances. But Timothy McVeih chose to blow up a building killing numerous amounts of people 19 of which are children just because he didn't like the way something was handled....what if i were to go to your place of buisiness and be dissaticfied with the prices of gas....so instead of writing letters and taking it up with the uphighs...i blew up the place with you and we'll say a bus load of kindergarteners who bus stopped so the kids could tinkle and get snacky cakes.

that would be a choice that could have been avoided.. instead of doing the right thing when angerd he killed over 100 people and "wounded" there familys for life..what if that was your child or neice/nephew in there. i would be fucking pissed and hope to get that person back no matter what it took.....because i wouldn't be able to see little jimmy or janey enjoy all life as to offer i see it as the system never works half the murders in the world are never solved and the murderers are never cought....if there is with out a doubt evidence that a person comitted a crime than that person should get and equal punishment to what they chose to do becouse noone made tham do it..thats why the John Walshes of this world are great people...and he made the wise choice when his son was murdered and he FBI couldn't help him did he blow up the federal building?????? NO......he got laws passed and for the past someodd years he as been helping bring the murders and lowlifes to justice

thats what people are trying to say ...

it's not a christioan thing or a whatever...it's how and person with a concience would feel killing kids that are 0-5 years old???c'mon man thtas just unforgivale and you do desevre to die

but i am only 1 of a billion so i may be wrong

I agree that McVeigh shouldn't be executed, but not because of the ethics of the death penalty. The reason he shouldn't be executed is because that's not a punishment to him, he sees himself as a martyr and doesn't mind dying for his "cause". To a person like that, a fitting punishment is something along the lines of spending the next 50 years in solitary confinement, his only contact with another living thing being his weekly congigal visit from a big diesel black guy with a 2 foot cock and an anal sex fetish. Until he starts to enjoy it, at that point you swap the big black guy with a snake that will slither up his ass and wreak havok in his bowels. And if he ever starts to enjoy that (nieuhhhhhhhhhhhh)....Uh, I guess we could just kill him then.

Everyone is in one hell of a tizzy all of a sudden. No, it isn't because Wendy's has brought back its cheddar lovers' burger (thought that's probably contributing to the pandemonium quite a bit). Rather, it's the imminent execution of the man who bombed the Murrah building back in 1995, Timothy McVeigh, which has caused the uproar. Apparently, the FBI flubbed things up big time and now there's a chance that McVeigh might appeal for another trial on the basis that all of the evidence wasn't used in his previous one.

Of course, this presents a large problem for the survivors and the families of the victims. There's already been a month's delay, I believe, on the execution which was supposed to have taken place this coming Wednesday. These people want to see justice run its course and know that McVeigh was killed. Making them wait any longer (remember, it's been six years now) for this closure on an already terrible tragedy is the equivalent of reopening a deep cut in your abdomen. I'm sure that, despite anyone's stance on things like capitol punishment are concerned, we can all agree that revenge is sweet. But that's where the problem lies - are these people looking for justice or revenge? You can argue this until pigs sprout wings and begin to fly and you'll never reach any kind of agreement.

Some people (even some of the surviving victims, apparently) think that McVeigh should just be incarcerated for life. Most others (especially the families of the innocent children) are sure that McVeigh should be put to death. But again, which way is justice? Which way is revenge?

Personally, I don't think there's a difference between the two. Any line which exists between them has been marred and is either there or not there depending on your view of things. In many cases when someone thinks of justice, they think of something like this kind of situation. A man remorselessly killed an inhuman number of people - himself acting in revenge. Clearly, the majority of people believe in the "eye for an eye" system; and while it's very tough to kill one person 168 times (I think you'd have to be Caniprokis' father to be able to pull it off), there's that other group of people who don't see any point in capitol punishment. Make no mistake, though - Timothy McVeigh will be executed no matter how much death penalty opponents try to push otherwise. You can't really argue against the fact that McVeigh, to this day, does not feel remorse for the deaths of all those innocent people. He said himself that were he given the chance to do his life over again, he'd make the same choices. I mean, how do you explain to someone who suffered greatly from this man's actions that he deserves to live? If it's not impossible, it's as close to impossible as the Tampa Bay Devil Rays are to ever having another .500+ season. We're talking difficulty, here... because it's hard to be rational with irrational people.

And that's what these victims are: irrational. They're still letting their anger control their thoughts and emotions. They were taught that things like capitol punishment are to be expected as punishment for someone evil. In our country's history, we used to have public hangings and stonings. Because of this, most people lose sight of one important fact - that no human ever deserves to die. If you are a living, breathing human being, you should be able to live until either old age or disease (or a combination of both) take you from this mortal coil. Nobody else should have the power to say whether or not you live or die. Unfortunately, we have people like Timothy McVeigh or our government who feel they have the right to take that kind of power into their hands. And again, in McVeigh's case it's very tough to dissuade someone from thinking that he deserves to die. It's a matter of rational thinking. If you are the kind of person who holds grudges for long periods of time (i.e. Lio Convoy's 5-year one I was so pissed about a few rants back), you're not thinking rationally about this kind of thing. You're blinded by the terrible things this person has done and are ignoring the fact that s/he is still a person and is still covered by the same basic, ethical laws he broke.

McVeigh, in my opinion, should be locked away with no outside contact except for the occasional meal. But in all actuality I don't really care if he is killed or not. The Murrah incident had no effect on me, much like the U.S.S. Cole bombing failed to faze me. The whole situation is old and stale and I'd prefer to think about important things.

Things like how much a cheddar lovers' burger combo at Wendy's costs. Mmm... cheddar lovers' burger... Goodnight.

Yesterday the the court in Belgrade Yugoslavia upheld the conviction passed by the Milosevic regime that had been passed on fourteen dignitaries. Among this group are Gerhart Schroder Chancelor of Germany, French president Jacques Chirac, former British Prime Minister Robin Cook, current British Prime minister Tony Blair, and, of course former US president Bill "Bubba" Clinton. The dignitaries involved are being called war criminals for the NATO bombing campaign in 1999 in which about 500 civilians died. I can not think of any other time in which a foreign power has charged a US leader with war crimes. According to CNN, the conviction comes through a legal technicality, but it does mean that there may have been very legitimate grounds for this conviciton. This means that many of our current and some of our foreign world leaders in the West are war criminals in some sense. These dignitaries would only be arrested if they set foot on Yugoslav soil, and they could then be arrested by any police officer, at which point they would serve twenty years in prison. The Yugoslav government is hoping to overturn the decision. But just think, we could here:

"Ah did not have sexual relations with that cellmate."

People like Bush, and the administrators of the US military that allow spy planes to cruise the borders of China, knowing that they will be escorted by fighter jets, and knowing also that those jets are flown by pilots who tend to fly in an erratic manner, which may be dangerous to thier spy planes, yet order them to be there any way, are DUMB. These administrators act chidishly, they acted legally, but taunting China by flying just along the borders is still malicious. If the US really wanted to avoid a conflict, it could have done so when it first recognized the threat of having these fighter planes in such close proximity to our nation's spy planes. The US created the situation, so we can't whine about now. Our military was asking for this to happen.

Some of you on this site sound like conservative dumbasses talking about "whiny liberals" and such. Every one here seems to agree that the US is the most powerful nation in the world, yet you are concerned that the US will look weak if it apologizes. What a fucking crock. Its not looking strong that makes us strong, its being strong that makes us strong.

Now stop your pseudo-conservative bullshit. No one here is anti liberal, because I have seen you all smoke up while watching violent and or pornographic films and talking about how you much you love a women's right to have an abortion. You all LOVE abortion. A lot.

And if there was ever a draft I would be conscripted in a second (if I wasn't in Ecuador. So what if war is different now from what it was years ago. Many of you would shit yourselves if you had to kill someone anyway, and few people here have the discipline to deal with bootcamp.

But the news report that I just saw said that the situation has ended anyway. I guess the Chinese are done looking over the equiptment, so the troops are coming home, if the report is true. But any way, you all sound like a bunch of 75 year old men who fought in Korea or something. Its silly. Pappy is the only one here anywhere near 75. By the dog! I'm only in my fifties. You crazy gringos.

ok since im the only person on this list that could possible be drafted since im the only one who isent fucked up with some deasise or an alien (pappy) or have shitty vision or some other pussy fucking excuse to not be a patriate and defend the american flag i guess ill say a few words. first of all i do agree with lio that war isent like NAM anymore our boys wont be sittin on some hill 23 clicks outside of danang under heavy fire waiting for the air stike to drop the napalm, no theyll be sittin in a tank blowing shit up from 20 miles away. ground wars just dont happen anymore. plus most likey well send in some seal team to reaquire our troops and ther plane. futhermore no we should not aoligize for doing something that needs to be done, its a checks and balance system it keeps everyone from blowing everyone else up plus you know everyone wants the us to be this giant police force for the world when its to there advantage but then it turns around and its like "what the fuck are you the cops?" YES MOTHERFUCKER WERE THE GIANT COCKED UNITED STATES COPS!!!! i dont know but i think your all a bunch of pussy liberal crying fucks so why dont you go worry about some fith generation dude on welfare that really needs a shoulder to cry on and you can all cry together im going to go kill charlie!

fucking vc

948 out

there is really no easy way to solve this controversy....yes we could apologise but then we would look weak in the eyes of other countries

in society we are the pimp of the world and all the other countries are our bitches. We are the strongest nation in the world when there is a problem somewhere else we are always called i don't want this to go to war and yes dubya is not very bright i am a red neck and like dubya. But i think he is a good ol' boy and thats the last thing u want runnin the country. yes if we apoligize then we will get our plane back but everyone knows that is will be up there again in another month with higher tech shit on it doin the same thing.

Colin Powell ( Colin Powell he smiles so much i don't think he has a central nervouse system lol t/a callinader and caniprokis get it) is washed out...the only reason he is in the position hes in is because dubya's dad put him there. Going in there and takin the plane back is not good but neither is apolgizing i think that we should just blow the country up i mean who need china......noone we got all the ones we need here making our food and doing our math so just get rid of the rest of em but thats just me there is no easy way to solve this and there will never be one

Yeah, this incident with China is fucking ridiculous. Its a "crisis" now. What the fuck? The fact that this is a crisis is silly. If China wanted an apology, then why didn't we give it to them? Well there are some consequences that come along with this, such as indicating a level of fault in the incident, but the US is at fault in some degree. The Chinese pilot may have fucked up, but the US put itself in the situation by flying right up against the borders of China and putting the plane at risk. The US may have been in the legal right of being over international waters, but there was a hostile intention behind the presence there. The US did have some fault in this situation, it was not all the fault of the US, but there was some that certainly warrents an apology. I'm sure that if the airplanes of foreign powers flew up and down along our borders, then the US would not be particullarly happy about it. So, lets just get the situaion over with and admit some fault. It seems advantageous to do so if it will preserve relations. Maybe its too late now. Eh.