Happy birthday, Stone Man!

How old are you now? 40? 50? ;)

Lio, I don't believe you understand the gravity of this situation. As such, I can understand how you feel about how Insult suddenly blew up at you. You feel that none of the business between you and Wils0r's ex is any of our business, which is a perfectly normal feeling. I can see where you're coming from.

However, you also need to understand something. Everything you do is a reflection upon us, your friends, just like everything any of us does is a reflection upon you. To that end, your "transgression," and the subsequent handling of it, is directly our business. What you did had a direct impact on how many of us view you: the levels of respect some of us might hold, the credibility some of us might view you with, the neutrality you can possess, and so on. So whether we went and blabbed to the masses what happened or not, your actions have affected us. It's true that you never lied or denied any accusations concerning the matter (I don't believe any were made) and you never asked any of us to lie. And it's crappy that Bean, after being informed of the situation between you and Kim, went and did what he wanted with her just like it was crappy of her to consent. Does that change that I feel you are overreacting? No. Does that change that I feel what you did with Wils0r's ex was crappy? No.

It makes no difference if Stone told anyone about your romp. If you'll remember, you told Kim very bluntly about and made it sound as if you had done it merely to get back at her for not doing things with you. That might not be the case, but that's the way she took it. And when you went crazy at my going away party, Kim told both Sapphire and I what you had done. Even if you had told her not to tell anyone, it's very pertinent information in regards to her feelings for you. Christ, man, any other guy says to a girl, "I slept with someone else, neener-neener!" to her that means you are not interested . And she felt, having the knowledge that you had gone and wet your willy in someone else, that you were no longer interested in having a relationship with her. If you really felt the way you described about this girl, you would never have done it in the first place, let alone told her about it. You would have stuck it out and dealt with things. Despite the jokes and all, life is NOT about putting your penis into as many vaginas as possible.

What makes the situation worse is that this is Wils0r's ex. Of all of our group of friends, I think he would be the one least likely to ever be the target of anyone's wrath or ire (unless he's next to Caniprokis and Caniprokis is high). If I had to choose which person of us to fuck over - really choose, not just ponder - Wils0r would definitely NOT be my choice. There's no reason for it. You not only betrayed his friendship, but you also helped his angry ex get back at him. And you think that this is merely of "questionable (not even flat out wrong, questionable) moral character"? There's no reason for any of us to believe that you would ever have told Wils0r. If you were sneaky enough to go behind everyone's back and make arrangements to roger his ex, then no. And the only reason that I didn't tell him when I found out was because I just didn't have the gall to do it. I wouldn't even have known how to break it to him. So I started "gabbing like a ninny" to Caniprokis - as I'm sure you were referring to me in that veiled hint. Does that make me any more mature? Fuck no! But that doesn't mean I'm exempt from thinking what you did was wrong.

Look, one thing that is probably wrong in our group of friends is that when someone does something incredibly stupid and we just say, "Ah, well, that's [x]." Blood says "nigger" or "kyke" fifty times a night. We get mad if Hugh or I say it, but it's just Bloody. Lio maliciously and unthinkingly cuts a friend out of his life or stabs him/her in the back, but it's just Lio.

Well, no, it's not just Lio. It's great that you got things cleared up with Caniprokis, but we can't keep excusing this type of behavior. If you learned from this, all the better. And perhaps I'm alone in my feelings. Who knows.

Happy Turkey Day, folks.

Now, you may be right about my vague storytelling and lack of true details as being somewhat indirect even cowardly... but the reason for that is a very good one.  My reason for starting this off was two fold.  One, I wanted to clear the air with Caniprokis... and two to express my distaste for how I have been treated by many of you.  Now was this past post sophomoric and "Drama causing", sure... but hey what can I say, I wrote it angry.  But all the words that needed to be spoken between Caniprokis have been spoken, and that's that.  And I achieved my second goal as well.

But you will not get a full, clear explanation of events from me for one simple fact:  It is the business of no one who still posts on this site.  This is between me, wilsor's ex, and now that all dirty laundry has been aired, Wilsor.  I didn't write my full side of the story because it shouldn't matter to you guys.  As friends you guys should know the following facts:

1. I did something of questionable (not even flat out wrong, questionable) moral character.
2. I never lied, or denied anything that went on (but I didn't exactly run crying to tattle on myself either)
3. I never asked any of you to lie for me.

And that's all you guys should know or care about.  I wanted to find a way to tell Wilson myself, but I felt it was news that should be done face to face, and not by going online and saying "HEY, GUESS WHAT!!!".  But before I could find that proper time, our little quilting circle cracked the story, and the shit hit the fan.  Nobody even bothered to check with me if these rumors were true, honestly I would have enjoyed your council on the matter, but didn't tell anyone myself, for fear of exactly what happened, hapenning.  This honestly should have come from me, or wilsor's ex... if for no other reason than that he deserved better than to hear from the sources he did. 

I had a heart to heart with Caniprokis the day after my and many things were said... but among the things he said, the one that stuck with me the most is that I have to assess matters and grow up.  And that's true... I've got a lot of growing up to do... but before any of you start thinking about how much more mature you are than I am, just think about how you personally handled the information about my transgression when you recieved it.  If you didn't start gabbing like a ninny, then you have all the right in the world to think what you do.

P.S.  Thanks to Stone for keeping his word for me.  You didn't run and tell, but when you were confronted, you didn't lie for me.  Thank you.

Guy Rule #239 states "Any woman a guy dates is off-limits to his buddies, FOREVER. Even if said woman approaches one of the buddies, is a nymphomaniac, and looks like Cindy Crawford, the buddy MUST turn her down out of respect."

Guy Rule #239 section 1 adds "Once your buddy has dated a woman, she is forever off the list. You may never date her. Even if your friend gives permission, he's lying -- it would hurt him if you started dating her."

But, it was also noted in a forum that "... circumstances have arisen that may warrant an exception...

a. He broke up with her
b. ...a long time ago.
c. He's moving to another state.

It would be possible to date her without him knowing, but I would never do that. So, with his permission, would this qualify as an exception?"

It's complicated, and I think a safe rule of thumb is to basically not go near an ex. The rule is even more blurry when you're not sure if someone is an ex-girlfriend. Someone you sort of dated in High School but didn't have sex with.. is she still an ex?

But really, it doesn't matter how desperate you are or how drunk/wated you are.. it's not a good idea. AskMen.com has a good article about this as well

I agree with both Tim and Calliander here.. the whole vague story telling that has been going on with this is just plain confusing for everyone, including people who are involved, or think they are involved.

You know man, youve always had alot of sack online to say what you think is what you feel about some bullshit highschool situation, get the fuck over yourself dude. my phone number hasent changed in 12 years, you got a problem, call me. im going to call you now, if you think im going to sit and let you bitch me on the internet, and then be all smiles the next time i see you your fucking wrong. your right you have alot of shit to explain and when/if i care enough to find out i will. i have alot of shit to get together now that im back here and to be honest your low on that list, well you just bumped yourself up, good job.

What do want, a fucking Medal?

It's all fun and games to joke about people who are gay and whatnot, but I don't think any one of us seriously dislikes or hates gay people. Well... maybe hunch. But there's a very clear line between "alternative lifestyle" and "deviant sexual behaviour", and there's something really wrong with the people who fit into the latter category. Furries, plushies, and all those cosplay weirdos DEFINITELY fit into that latter category, make no mistake about that.

I think this "furry" thing can be attributed to Manga comics, where like 99% of all the characters start off looking like normal people but then the women have penises and boobs and then they suddenly have cat ears and a tail. You get the random weirdo who just really loves animals in there (like that guy who got his body physically modified to look like a cat), but I think most of them are just stupid "otakus" who think they're being cool by buying into this crap. Did any of you guys ever read any of those Manga books they had at Clockwork when we went there? Like, every single one of them was like that!

This crap has gone so far that the upcoming episode of CSI will have the main characters follow a murder or something to a club where furries go!

As for reality TV, yeah, it sucks. The only show that sounds halfway decent in the current crop of these pieces of junk is the Joe Schmoe Show, since it's not real. Meh.

My condolences to Spo who lost his dad this past week. Keep your head up bro everything will be ok. My thoughts are with you man. Very happy belated birthdays to Sapphire and Calliander. Oh to be young and in love. Living proof that it's never to early for Viagra. Man its getting cold in CT already, so much for 4 seasons, a Swamp Cracker like me needs some sunshine. 1

HAPPY (insert number here ) BIRTHDAY to Calliander!!! It was about 4 days ago, and we celebrated in style as only poor couples can. You can't believe what a determined person can do with a bunch of paper clips, a bottle cap and some spit. We wrangled all of that into ice cream, Soul Calibur II and some socks....I'd like to see someone else do THAT!

Anywayz, Calliander...you're such an old fogey now ;)! I dunno...if you continue to keep up that old man creak and the continuous incontinence, I might just have to trade you in for one of those shiny new models... You know, the red one. Hahaha, Happy Birthday you (and to your off-the-wall Grandmama)!

It was said best 2 years ago.