I'm pretty sure my only problem with weed nowadays is determining which I find more disturbing:
Anyway, I watched the movie Shrink and there was a kind called, "Christmas in Vietnam." If I were a pot smoker, I would have some serious brand loyalty going on there.
Allow me to introduce myself. I am who am. My imminent carnival of chaos, whoreley thoughts and insane ideas shall be unwound.
That's a strange definition of medical benefits. How many drugs actually cure anything? AIDS drugs have medical benefits, right?
Marijuana is not harmless - I disagree with you there. There are a lot of people who are psychologically addicted to it, and who use it to help them avoid problems they might otherwise tackle if they didn't have a drug as a crutch. Caffeine is certainly less harmless than Marijuana, even if caffeine is physically addictive in a way that marijuana isn't. Caffeine doesn't cause severe trauma to you when you try to quit, either. Maybe a headache or something. I could quit caffeine any time I want. I don't because I like it, but I could quit it if I could. Not saying that I'm going to.
Ron Paul is a racist nutjob. You could vote for Bob Barr, he's a libertarian.
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"Marijuana may not be physically addictive, but it's psychologically addictive - and more people are psychologically addicted to it than are willing to admit that to themselves".
There, that wasn't hard. Basically, all Mike did was say that in an insulting, long-winded way. Not everyone who smokes weed is psychologically addicted to it. Some weed smokers recognize that they are psychologically addicted to it. There are legitimate medical benefits to smoking weed, but, of course, that a significant portion of California medical marijuana users aren't smoking solely for those medical benefits.
Mike, do you still with Ron Paul was running?
Stone
LOL. You guys have some sandy vaginas.
You have a sense of superiority over marijuana users because you are a douche bag.
This part is true.
Because all of the kids in high school who were having more fun than us used marijuana and you have never grown past that and been able to say "whatever makes them happy."
This part is not.
I'm sure if you asked most Marijuana smokers why they want weed legalized they would say "So I can smoke it and not get arrested", or at least that would be the reasonable base line "Well, DUH!" reason that's so fucking obvious it doesn't even need mentioning.
You bitches have to remember where I live. It's like a way of life in the LBC. I'm gonna copy and paste from FB here: You guys (my friends) bring up valid points because, if you use, you're responsible about it. I probably should have mentioned that what sparked my vitriol in this was, while viewing the mentioned video about medical marijuana this one guy said, "Yeah, and like, I totally need it for like, this leg," and he points to his knee, "This knee and stuff. I messed it up skiing and it relieves the pain. And then it helps with like this shoulder that's always like, flaring up."
If I could meet that guy, I would love to just say, "Dude, seriously. Stop fucking lying. Come on. I don't believe you, nobody believes you, even you don't believe yourself. So just tell the damned truth." Don't even tell me you believe that shit.
If the governments of the world didn't criminalize such a harmless plant, people wouldn't have to die for it or lie for it or anything else.
Also, Devlin, I never said THC was addictive. I just intimated that it fills some sort of void. The best word I can use to describe that is addicted. Therefore:
As for it's mentally addictive properties... anything can be mentally addictive.
Is correct. Perhaps, though, my use of the word is not.
Normally we take your bullshit comments with a grain of salt and say "That's just Mike being Mike.", but I think you stepped over a line here and owe some people an apology.
I don't owe anyone an apology. You guys know better than to think I was aiming that at you. No lines were stepped over.
Meh... Don't you hate it when you're making a valid argument, with some decent points, and someone comes in with a similar argument and makes you look like an asshole. I agree with Mikey on several points here. I have long maintained that the war on drugs (primarily Marijuana) should be ended sheerly for economic purposes. We would save hundreds of millions on law enforcement and incarcerating minor drug offenders. Tax-wise it would be an economic boon. Marijuana costs nearly nothing to grow, it can be grown practically anywhere, and people are already used to paying inflated prices for it because they have to get there weed through illegitimate channels. If legalized you would see legitimate horticulturists growing premium brands for large prices and even more taxes. It could be properly liscensed and regulated, and generate even more tax revenue. That is where Mike and I see eye to eye.
Now, to paraphrase a line from Mike's post: "YOU are a liar (YOU meaning Mike)" Just fess up to it. You don't have a sense of superiority over marijuana users because an article in the NY Times online told you you were right. You have a sense of superiority over marijuana users because you are a douche bag. Because all of the kids in high school who were having more fun than us used marijuana and you have never grown past that and been able to say "whatever makes them happy." It's ok to have these feelings, most of us are douche bags who were dumped on in high school too... that's why we are friends. Just fess up to it.
I'm sure if you asked most Marijuana smokers why they want weed legalized they would say "So I can smoke it and not get arrested", or at least that would be the reasonable base line "Well, DUH!" reason that's so fucking obvious it doesn't even need mentioning. Aside from seeing your stray NORML weirdo on a random primetime news magazine, don't believe I've ever encountered anyone who's said something to the effect of "Weed has, like, 102 uses!" or "If weed were legal it would end our dependency on foreign oil". It's like you're working with some bigoted idea of what a pothead is and you think everyone who smokes weed is that.
Now as for your thoughts (or lack thereof) on the addictiveness of pot. Now most conventional medical wisdom points to the fact that marijuana is not PHYSICALLY addictive. As for it's mentally addictive properties... anything can be mentally addictive. I masturbate... CONSTANTLY. Does that mean I'm physically addicted to yanking my pud? NO... but it would be hard for me to stop. Now we have many friends who smoke weed. Many for years... but look at Spo. After his split with Holly he used smoke... a lot... for months. But eventually he just stopped. Same for me. There were a few months back in college where I smoked 3-4 times a week, until it started giving me seizures. Did I have to lock myself in my room while I fought off hallucinations of dead babies crawling on the ceiling? No, I just stopped.
Your comments lack the validity that "Reefer Madness" had in speaking out against pot, and quite frankly, are just insulting to many of our friends. Normally we take your bullshit comments with a grain of salt and say "That's just Mike being Mike.", but I think you stepped over a line here and owe some people an apology.
I just thought i would give everyone who is not on facebook, the opertunity to ridicule and murder mike about this absolute bullshit post he put up on his page, as you will see, its typical mike fucking bullshit outlandish no basis remarks on something he knows little to nothing about. please feel free to rip him a new giant gaping asshole.......I could probably make a pretty big list of people I know who use marijuana. All of you know that I think the War on Drugs is stupid and that I support legalizing marijuana. And you all know that I have never even once tried it (or any other drugs, except alcohol, for that matter).
Most of you should also know by now that I consider myself smarter than people who use marijuana. I haven't been able to put my finger on why I feel this way, so I've pretty much been walking around for years of my life with this feeling of superiority that I couldn't justify... but you know me and my big mouth, I will still proclaim it regardless of my ability to qualify it. In recent years I've been getting closer to an answer, though, and a video I was watching today on the NYTimes site about California's medical marijuana situation helped me pinpoint it (I think).
Every single one of you (you, meaning the folks who use marijuana) are liars.
Oh, how ripe! The person who used to be nicknamed, "Mike the Liar," pronouncing this! The pot turns to the kettle, though, and says: I have changed; learned from what I did when I was younger, and decided that I don't want to be that way. Aside from the bullshit with Elaine (because that was between us), I would challenge anyone to call me out on something. In fact, I would say I've gotten extremely good at being straightforward and even at identifying when I'm trying to delude myself. I am an open book nowadays.
Therefore, and because of that, I think I am qualified to call out marijuana users on their deceit.
Here's the deal: again, I am for the legalization of marijuana. Why? Let me explain the reasons that I'm not basing this support upon, the lies of the pot crowd. I don't care about how many uses hemp has. I don't care about the calming effect it has. I don't care about how tobacco and alcohol are worse, yet legal. I don't care about any of the other reasons and I especially don't care about it not being addictive*. If marijuana is legal and sanctioned, the government can collect taxes on it just like tobacco. Legal limits of use can be set, like alcohol, and tests can be done to determine that. The problem with marijuana users is that I get that bullshit about the uses of hemp and so forth. And, having been a very bad liar, I can spot your disbelief of those justifications. Just tell the world the truth about why you want it legal, potheads!
And now we come to the star I put in that last paragraph, the biggest lie of them all: marijuana is not addictive. Fuck yourself. Marijuana HAS to be addictive. I'm not a doctor, so I cannot determine the way in which marijuana is addictive but let me explain why it has to be. First of all, if it's not addictive, why continue to use it on a regular basis? I have not heard an answer to this question that wasn't a lie. ("I don't have to use it all of the time, but it makes me calm.") Second: the amount of rationalization circling the justification of marijuana use is on par with any other drug addict, along with the extended explanations of the usage (which indicate a lie). Getting a prescription for weed is the same as the President saying, "We're starting to see the effects of the stimulus:" come on. Nobody fucking believes that. Everybody knows that pretty much everyone used the stimulus to pay bills and everyone knows what I will now say:
So I say again, just tell the truth! You want marijuana legal so that you can buy it, smoke it, eat it, whatever you do with it... and not get arrested. How on earth is that such a bad explanation? Why would you want to avoid that reason? It is a perfectly good reason and yet I've never heard it out of the mouth of any user ever in the history of me knowing people who use! Addiction. Crack addicts make up elaborate excuses instead of just being honest with themselves and other people. Alcoholics lie about how much they've had to drink and avoid facing the problem. There has to be a dependency there that marijuana fills in peoples' lives, and that dependency is something they either don't want to admit or face about themselves and so they say some bullshit like, "It helps relieve the pain from that leg I messed up when I was skiing." Yeah, okay.
Cigarette smokers, on the other hand, are interesting because they know the health risks and everything else associated with it but when pressed for why they continue to smoke or bothered about it or confronted with yet another law restricting where they can smoke, it's always the same response: "I'm addicted. Fuck you."
I would love to hear that from a marijuana user. And a certain coworker's take on this, because he is the exception to all of the above.
After work today, I went to this sushi restaurant, called "Sushi Roku", with about 11 other co-workers. 9 of the 11 are visiting our branch of the company I work at - they work at other branches.
$1150 food/drinks tab, which is a new record for me, although it doesn't meet our per/person Keens' record.
Sometimes when I'm unhappy, I feel like running headfirst into a wall to punish myself for being ungrateful for all the good things that are available to me.
Stun
"Of all of our group of friends, I think he would be the one least likely to ever be the target of anyone's wrath or ire (unless he's next to Caniprokis and Caniprokis is high)."
Ha ha i was laughing my balls off for like 5 minutes after i read that, good job Calliander, but just to clear it up, i really only beat up Wilson when i was trippin, im too lazy to beat up anyone when im high.
At our respective ages i think alot of us would like to think we are all grown up already, perhaps better than some of our other friends, well all im going to say is that im FAR from grown up (I am Better than most of you though snicker snicker) i think there are stages of growing up and we just passed into another stage, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our mid twenties i hope you all enjoy them and i hope non of us kill each other.
now to fill some quotas, shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits fart turd and twat ok thats should cover "swears" as far as "sexual talk"........... i got nothin
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I ran across this article the other day.. I didn't write it, I just agree with it, and since there's no other chance anyone else here will wind up reading it,I felt like posting it (hey, at least there's a chance now)..
See it formatted nicely: Here
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As a leftist, I'm getting just a bit weary of hearing how much I "hate America." Ever since the big you-know what in late 2001, that little zinger has been the comeback of choice for any objections to US foreign policy. Don't like our new wars? Gee, you must really hate this country.
Friends on the right, you wound us. If we didn't love America, why would we spend so much time and energy on bake sales and discussion groups and lecture series and petition drives and demonstrations to make it a better place? I mean, there may be some parts of Dallas we're not too keen on, and personally, you couldn't pay me enough to live in Phoenix, but on the whole, sure, love that America. Friendly people, nice beaches, great forests, er, what's left of them.
Of course, the relationship is just a bit more complicated than that. We love America kind of like we might love a dear friend or relative who's drinking too much and putting his health in danger, or messing up his home life. We're kind of embarrassed and more than a little bit worried for good old America. But that doesn't mean we don't love her. Hey, we're family!
You know, it occurs to me that when rightwingers can't come up with a better argument than "you hate America," they might actually be projecting. After all, who was it that said that the 9/11 attacks allowed, quote, "the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve"? It wasn't any leftist, that's for sure. It was that jolly old moral majoritarian, the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
The more you think about it, the more it makes sense. The right can't stand American culture. Rock & roll swept the planet, helped bring down the Berlin wall, inspired everyone with its free-spirited, rebellious American energy. Who fought it every step of the way? The right, that's who. Same goes for hip-hop, another great American export, subject of Congressional inquisitions. And don't even get me started on Hollywood. Billions of people love our movies, but the right acts like the whole movie industry is the last refuge of Stalinism.
The right hates our heroes, too. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into making a holiday to honor the Rev. Martin Luther King, who helped us try to fulfill the promises of Reconstruction. And some of them still grumble, as Ronald Reagan did, that he was some kind of "communist." Still others, like John Ashcroft, express nostalgia for the Confederacy's fight to maintain slavery as a noble cause.
Come to think of it, the right hates our constitution, too, except for the Second Amendment, and maybe the Eleventh, now that the Rehnquist Court has rewritten it to mean "Congress shall pass no law that we don't like." But the First, the Fourth, the Fifth, and um, the Sixth, and the Eighth, and pretty much the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments are right out the window these days. Damn shame, too, if you ask me. Plus the right is still itching to overturn old decisions like Miranda and Bakke and Roe, if not Griswald. Some of them aren't too crazy about Brown v. Board, either, if you know what I mean.
And it's obvious by now that the right wing really, really hates democracy. If you even bring up the word, they go on about how the Founding Fathers made a republic, not a democracy. Well, sure, but they also wrote in the parts about blacks being three-fifths of a person, and only land-owning males being able to vote. Some of those cool old amendments moved us closer to actual democracy, at least for a while there. Now the rightwingers on the Supreme Court have made it clear that we have no actual right to vote, let alone have the votes counted if it's inconvenient for their candidate.
And the election of 2000 isn't the only one stolen by the right. In 1968, and again in 1980, the right-wing candidates, as private citizens, interfered with foreign-policy negotiations of the US government in order to (successfully) gain electoral advantage. Come to think of it, they did that again in 2000, advising the Israelis to drag their feet in the Camp David talks. But I guess they can get away with that, since they love America more than us pesky leftists.
But if the right loves America so much, why do they keep subsidizing the corporations that foul our air, despoil our coasts, and clear-cut our forests? Just how patriotic is the Bush administration's new rule that allows mining companies to shear off the tops of our purple-mountain'd majesty and dump them into our streams? Don't you think we could express our love of country a little better by tightening up those fuel economy standards, instead of squeezing the Middle East for more fuel for our Hummers?
Now that reminds me. Why does the right keep making so many enemies for our country? You know, like overthrowing elected governments in Iran and Chile and so on, or backing torture-happy juntas in Turkey and Pakistan, or paying for proxy terrorists in Nicaragua and Angola, or subsidizing the occupation of East Timor and the West Bank. Didn't the left keep saying, "Um, excuse us, if we keep supporting violence and terrorism abroad, it might come back to haunt us"? And we're the unpatriotic ones?
Oh, but that's where we got started here. Any time we criticize US foreign policy, we're making excuses for the terrorists. I guess it's inconceivable that the left could love America enough to want us to stop making new enemies. Well, okay, America. If invading Iraq doesn't work out as nicely as planned, you might give us a call. We still have a few ideas, and, gosh, we just love ya to pieces. Write sometime! After all, who gave you votes for women and blacks, and the weekend, and overtime, and retirement pay, and family leave? Your old pals on the left. God love ya.
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Umm.. All I really have to add is Legalize Fuckin' weed already, man.. this is fucking insane already. If you haven't been keeping up on Operation Pipe Dreams and other DEA scams, you're realling missing out on some of the finest propaganda work our government has come up with in decades.
Post later.. maybe :P